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  • Bagels
  • From: Anil and Juhi Manwani, June 13, 2003

i just found a place this afternoon that had some bagels. the place is called hogaza bakery. they have 2 branches, one on the street talcahuano between santa fe and arenales, and the other on pueyreddon between arenales and beruti. they had 3 flavours/varieties, onion, sesame and poppy. hope those who were missing find this a good substitute.

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  • Bakery
  • From: Frank E. Almeida, August 30, 2006

I have been in BA since 1999. I noticed that although there are some great foods in Argentina there were some tastes from home that I just could not find here and that I was sure would go over big if anyone made them correctly. My wife and I started Sugar & Spice in 2002 at around the same time our first daughter Tatiana was born. In honor of our first born being born a girl, and at the same time that we decided to start this project, we called it Sugar & Spice because "that's what little girls are made of."

Our goal is to be the premier cookie brand in Argentina. Not necessarily the biggest, but the best cookies you can find in the country.

Today we supply select gourmet stores, delicatessens, cheese and wine stores, duty free stores, 5 star and boutique hotels, department stores, and some select cafe chains like McCafe and Aroma Cafe throughout the country.

We will be making a new website but we have that shelved until March of next year.

Saludos, / Frank E. Almeida

Sugar & Spice
Soler 5547 (entre Humboldt & Fitz-Roy en Palermo Hollywood)
4777-5423
www.sugarandspice.com.ar
Tentate & Disfruta

    From: Anil and Juhi Manwani, April 01, 2006

You can get really good cakes from Dos Escudos or Nucha's. Dos Escudos has 3 branches - one on Juncal 900 block between Suipacha and C. Pellegrini, on Montevideo almost corner of Quintana and Av. Las Heras y Billinghurst. They have a delivcious choc cake with mousse and strawberries. Nucha's has various branches but I know of 2 - Vicente Lopez between Juncal and Montevideo (opp. Plaza Vicente Lopez) and Salguero y Cerviño. My favorite at Nucha's is a lemon and chocolate mousse cake ... feels like marshmallow.

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  • Bank Accounts / How to Open One
  • From: carnivaljane, August 27, 2006

We just opened a savings account with Banco Galicia and I thought the following info might be of use:

When I called several branches I got the same answer each time: no way without a DNI Then I asked Sean of this list for help (who has opened an account with Galicia before) and asked a friend who has an account with Galicia for her help and she asked a friend who actually works at Galicia.

The bottom line is you can as a foreigner open an account with a CDI and your passport. Most employees are not aware of this. My friends' friend didn't get to the true policy until she asked her boss--all of her colleagues had told her it was impossible. You must speak with the general manager of the branch, they are aware of the policy.

We did not have the account instantly as not having the DNI delays their paperwork--it took 24 hours. We have to return to the branch when the debit cards arrive in 10 or so

days.

Once they said they would do it it was a painless operation.

    From: elizarfati, August 15, 2006

There are no general guidelines for opening a bank account in Argentina. Every bank appears to have its own requirements for opening an account.  Opening a savings account (cuenta de ahorros) or current (US: checking) account (cuenta corriente) also tends to make a difference as to what is required. The best advice is contact several different banks and ask them.  We spoke to several banks in Buenos Aires, and besides the necessity to show a valid passport and proof of domicile, requirements varied from minimum deposits of AR$ 1,000 to employment contracts ranging from 6 months to 1 year.  As an example, Banco La Nación has the following requirements for foreigners to open an account:  Bring your original Identification Document and a copy Proof of domicile (gas bill, telephone bill, etc.) Your CUIL (Código Único de Identificación Laboral)/ CUIT (Código Único de Identificación Tributaria) / CDI (Carnet de Identidad)\ CUIL is a number given to every employee upon starting to work for an employer. CUIT is a personal number you need to pay taxes. CDI is your Identification Card number. Initial deposit. To open an account in pesos, this should be at least AR$10. For a dollar account, the initial deposit is US$ 500. Annual maintenance costs of the account are AR$ 6 for a peso account, and US$ 2 for a dollar account. The costs include a Maestro debit card. AccountsIn Argentina bank accounts can be opened in Argentina pesos (AR$) and in US Dollars (US$). The costs of these accounts usually vary. Another distinction is opening a savings account and current (US: checking) account. A current account is used for daily payments, whereas a savings account is used to save money.

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  • Banks / Checking Accounts / Can you Trust Them?
  • From: Sean, September 07, 2006

Re: Does anyone know about the banking industry or laws governing it? If so, please let me know. Otherwise, Does anyone think people would be interested in keeping mainly dollar accounts in a credit union style operation or bank that could loan out for Real Estate?

Unfortunately, my advice, taking into account warranted punishment for the nasty thing done every given decade or so, , that no significant funds be deposited in a bank in Argentina for now , maybe just enough to keep operational, but otherwise they have historically stolen or reduced the value of your deposits, so just keep it aboad and pay your up-to 1-1/2% “insurance” to get it in the country when needed. Too bad, but people forget less and less these days. On the other hand, I have seen no signs that real estate is in peril, except for the moves on Doug Tompkins’ big property in the north…but I don’t know the full details there yet..anybody else know?

    From: Alejandro Aru, September 03, 2006

Living in Los Angeles, when I came down to BA to visit family I always flew COPA Airlines. It stops in Panama City but the flight is 6 hours first 1/2 and 7 hours the second one, shortest I've experienced ever.

The planes are a little shitty, smaller leg room than AA and UA.

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  • Bed and Breakfast Places both in and outside Buenos Aires
  • From: EL M, July 2, 2006

There is a lovely B&B called "La Otra Orilla" (The Other Shore) near Palermo Viejo. Here is the web page: http://www.otraorilla.com.ar/

The prices range from $25.00 usd to $120.00 usd depending on the room, double or single etc.

    From: Peter J. Macay

Friends of ours Claudine and Juan run a wonderful B&B in Colegiales, a short distance from trendy Palermo Hollywood in Buenos Aires.

Hi, I've stayed in Claudine and Juan’s B&B too. Just blocks walking to the subway, close to the shops of Lacroze/Cabildo, and just one block from Belgrano R train station. We found it to be very well located, in fact! :) Claudine and Juan are wonderful hosts. You'll love them!

    From BANewComers: Nati Che, July 13, 2005

Really cool B&B in Villa La Angostura

Actually I have to say it: it is my sister´s and I did test it before writing this!!! She actually did welcome me in 5 different languages before saying "HEY SIS!" (English, French, Italian, Portuguese, German and then, finally, the Spanish "HOLA"!)

I wouldn´t recommend it if it wasn´t good...

Here is their website: http://www.patagoniabed.com/

So if you want to either enjoy a snowy winter in front of a chimney or taking long magical walks; or spring with thousand of flowers and birds around you, the magical golden fall or the beach & fishing summer with the locals and plus go to the Indio reservoir there... this is the right place!!

    From: BANewComers, Daniela Melton July 13, 2005

Check out Malabia House in Palermo Viejo. A friend of mine stayed there and loved it!

www.malabiahouse.com.ar 4832-3345

    From BANewComers: Dan Perlman August 18, 2005

I'll add in one - my friend who I was trying to find a B&B for in the Barrio Norte area ended up staying at the Juncal Palace Hotel (Juncal between Azcuenaga and Larrea) www.juncalpalacehotel.com.ar 

The rooms are small, not much more than the bed and a bathroom, but they are clean, well-maintained, and the place is one of those charming sorts. Free coffee in the mornings. And really inexpensive for a hotel - 60 pesos a night for a single bed, and I think it is 70 or 75 for a "matrimonio". They have an online reservation system in both spanish and english too, and responded back to her the same day she made the request.

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  • Bicycling / Adventure Club
  • From: gingerharkey, August 15, 2006

A new group is being formed of men and women who share an interest in adventure bicycling and who wish to join together in a non-commercial endeavor to support each other. Any interested person is invited to attend a first meeting at 8:00, August 29, 2006 at the home of John Harkey in Recoleta : Arenales 1259, piso 1 (between Talcahuano and Libertad ). Following is a FAQ-style list. 

What is adventure bicycling? It means leaving the city behind for multi-day bike touring in scenic areas on paved and unpaved roads. 

Where would these trips be? Anywhere in South America, principally Argentina. Itineraries will be designed by any sub-group of members according to their shared interests. 

How demanding might these trips be? That depends on the terrain – from rolling hills to high Andean passes; from sixty to one hundred and sixty kilometer days. Multi-day trips could be made from inn to inn or camping with a support vehicle. Fully loaded, self-contained touring is not a primary goal.  Who qualifies for the group? Cyclists with esprit de corps and good physical stamina.  What is expected of members? That each person will contribute from their experience and skill sets in designing and carrying out trips. We will need people with imagination, mechanic skills, transportation management ability, first aid knowledge, e-communications skills, interest in route researcher, etc. Are any trips currently planned? Yes, in Salta, September +/- 4-8. If you are interested in this trip, email me right away.  "I hope to come to the meeting." Great. Please email me so that I can notify you if the meeting must be cancelled or the location changed.  "Interested, but can't make the meeting." Let me know you who you are. Email me and briefly describe your experience and goals in adventure biking. I'll be in touch.  Who is the meeting convener? John Harkey: self-employed US citizen, 3 years residence in AR and widely traveled here, sport biking enthusiast with15 years solo and group biking in US and Spain. 

Contact: John at adventurebikear@aol.com

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  • Books in English / Libraries with English Books
  • From: Frances Perry, August 30, 2006

Here is information on ICANA.  They have a number of events pertaining to North America and Argentina and a library with books in English

icana

Instituto Cultural Argentino Nortemaericano– www.icana.org.ar
Sede Centro Maipú 672, Teléfono: 5382-1500

Biblioteca Centro Lincoln - www.bcl.edu.ar
Maipú 672 Teléfono: 5382-1536

    From: tom frost, August 16, 2006

Have bought a few books here but have been surprised at the high prices. We have purchased at Kel's and at a used bookstore in Belgrano. Average prices for books have been around US$10-15. The difference in price between new and used is marginal. Are there other places that people can recommend for used books at more reasonable prices?
 
Also, is there a lending library with English books?

    From: Kate Bell, August 16, 2006

The place that Laura mentioned a while ago, Walrus books which is on estados in san telmo unidos (cross street peru I think) had a really good selection of used books. there's also loads of bookshops on calle corrientes and some of them have second hand books in english but you have to search... (assume you are talking about books in english- its very easy to find cheap books in spanish on corrientes...)

    From: Sean, August 16, 2006

It seems the area around Sarmiento and Lavalle heading roughly west towards Tribunales has a 3 of 4 English-language book sellers that sell at US list price (on the book) plus aprox 10% , and one of these is a major importer-distributor with a pretty complete show room stashed away on the second floor near there – when I find the card I will post it

    From: Frances Perry, August 17, 2006

ICANA, Maipu 672, has an English Language lending library on Florida near Plaza San Martin.

    From: Monica Arzadun, August 17, 2006

Libroshop at Av. Santa Fe 2530 (corner Av. Pueyrredon) also has second hand books in english, spanish and other languages.

    From the BANewComers list:

A friend of mine loaned me the AB FAB "House of Spirits" by Isabel Allende. Great book! On the inside front jacket there is a sticker for this place. I have not been to any of these outlets, just FYI for those looking for English books.

Books in English
KEL
M.T. de Alvear 1369 - Capital
Av. La Plata 63 - Caballito
Conde 1990 - Belgrano R.
Emilio Frers 2228 - Martínez
Italia 172 - Lomas de Zamora

    From the BANewComers list:

The BABS (British and American Benevolent Society) thrift shop and bookstore buys and sells, try phoning 4798 4652 or 4723 6446.  They are on Av. Santa Fe 512 in Acassuso.

There is a second hand english book shop in the galleria on the corner of Santa Fe and Puerrydon (corner nearest the Centre and Once respectively).

    From: BANewcomers Christian Rodriguez May 20, 2005

Theres also a bookstore INSIDE the "galeria" (how do you say this in English? I mean a collection of shops built INSIDE the block square that doesnt really qualify as a shopping mall) at Pueyrredon and Santa Fe. I mean the one next to the Mc Donalds (theres also a theater inside the galeria). The store is called "English books". I saw tons of used books (including Capote, Fitzgerald, etc). The prices were reasonable.

    From: Diana Glass, June 13, 2006

I wanted to let all book lovers know that my all-time favorite, Walrus Books, has moved to a new location. They are now located in San Telmo at Estados Unidos 617 and Perú. The shop is open Tuesday to Sunday from 10:00 am until 8:00pm. Geoffry, the knowledgeable and bi-lingual owner, makes sure his shop always has a large and diverse selection of books.

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  • Books - Ordering online "Amazon Style Searches and Purchases" of published books here in Argentina
  • From BANewComers: Christian Rodriguez August 21, 2005

http://www.lsf.com.ar/
http://www.tematika.com/

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  • Boots
  • From: Roxanne Piper Davis, June 11, 2003

I have extremely large calves and it is difficult (impossible, really) to find off-the-shelf boots that fit me.  Last month I visited a store called Fortín, liked what I saw, and ordered one pair of riding boots and two pairs of dress (street) boots. The staff — a young man named Horacio and a young blonde woman whose name I do not recall — were excellent. They took measurements of every part of my leg/foot — the circumference of my calves, the length of each foot, the distance between several different points of my feet, and the circumferences of various parts of my feet; they even made an outline of my feet to record the exact shape. 

They have several styles of both dress boots and riding boots on display and you can mix and match the styles — I want this color boot, with/without the capped toe, with a shorter/taller/wider/narrower heel, with/without a buckle, etc. The both pairs of dress boots fit perfectly when I picked them up and they look and feel terrific; I think this is the first time since I moved to Argentina that something has been made correctly the FIRST time!! The riding boots always require at least one fitting because they are a bit more complicated. I’ve had the first fitting and will have another one this coming Monday. So far, though, they look great. 

You can find Fortín at Santa Fé 1245 (between Libertad and Talcuano (spelling?) Their phone number is 4812-2731. 

Just FYI, the custom made dress boots are ~Arg$295 and the riding boots are ~Arg$480. In comparison to the shoddy off-the-shelf boots in the U.S, they’re a real bargain.

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  • Brazilian Visa required for USA citizens to go to Brazil / Iguazu Falls
  • From BANewComers Jvanka August 19, 2005

Check with the Consulate in Argentina. We were required to get a visa to cross for a day trip. To get the visa in Buenos Aires took 3 business days. Depending how much time your visitors have in BA it may be worth it to do it in BsAs Brazil Consulate since is closer to you.

This is what you will need:

PASSPORT, valid for six months at least
01 PASSPORT SIZE PHOTO
A ROUNDTRIP TICKET TO BRAZIL
A VISA APPLICATION FORM filled out and signed by the applicant;
Payment of a PROCESSING FEE.

Brasil Consulate web site:
http://www.conbrasil.org.ar/

Visa services online (all countries):
http://www.visahq.com/

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  • Buses

Buses are cheap, fast, clean and safe. When you get on the bus you tell the driver the end destination that you will get off on and he determines the fare, most fares are either 75 or 80 centavos. If you feel nervous speaking Spanish to explain your destination, just get on and say, “Buen dia! Ochenta por favor” You then put 80 centavos in the coin machine behind the driver, it will dispense a paper ticket that is your receipt and proof of a ticket if a police officer asks you for it (this is rare). It will make change for a 1 peso coin, but doesn’t accept paper bills. The driver does not make change.

There are Colectivo “Guias” or bus schedule guides at any kiosk. If you will be visiting here for 2 weeks, it would probably be worth picking up a guia.

The bus website http://www.loscolectivos.com.ar is ONLY for certain lines that belong to that company / association

http://www.xcolectivo.com.ar is far more complete and includes trains subtes etc as well.

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  • Buying an Apartment - Things to Know

We have a realtor friend who I highly recommend, . Olga is fantastic and I think well worth her commission, we've known her over 4 years, make sure you tell her "Ron and Pete" sent you.

Compared to the USA where only the seller pays, here, it is common for both the buyer and the seller to pay a 3% commission. However, if you buy an apartment on your own through the newspaper or through an open house listing, you shouldn't pay a commission as no one is representing you, the other realtor representing the seller will try and tell you that he/she is representing you both, but that is not true if you walk in off the street on your own.

However, I would still have Olga represent you and pay her a 3% commission. On both our 2 year rental she got for us in 2000 and purchasing a place in 2002, it was money well spent and I think she saved us thousands of dollars.

They have something here called an escribano or escribana, this is a lawyer who verifies the ownership of the property, makes sure all the bills and taxes have been paid and up to date, and rewrites the ownership papers of the house. Kind of like doing a title search in the USA. It is usually the right of the buyer to specify the escribano. The fees vary and it's usually a lot, like 1%, to do everything, so shop around before you decide on an escribano.

As anywhere in the world location is everything. We live in a neighborhood called “Recoleta” which is very expensive but central to everything, we walk to the Colón opera house to see shows, 15 blocks towards the Congresso area and the apartments are 75% cheaper then here. 15 blocks towards Palermo and the apartments are 35% cheaper then here. What you need to figure out is what area you want and then just go to every open house there is to get an idea of value and neighborhood.

I would canvas the area I wanted and copy down the names of the realtors and address from the signs hanging off buildings. Then give this list to Olga, she would then call, ask about the apartment size, cost, garage, monthly maintenance fees, etc and setup an appointment to see it. As a foreigner, I think this gives you credibility with the owners. Argentines are suspicious for security reasons and if you call with a bad Spanish accent they might just say it's sold or raise the price.

Prices are going up, no doubt about that. However, this country is still far from a full recovery, like anywhere bargains can be found. We looked at over 60 apartments before finding the perfect place in the prefect neighborhood with the perfect view. The reason it hadn't sold? It was in horrible condition and anyone who would have bought it would have had to spend another 25,000 - 50,000 to remodel it. We had the time and the money and after 6 months have a model perfect apartment.

By the way, we have 2 architects who are awesome if you need any remodeling.

    From BANewComers Peter J. Macay August 15, 2005

CDI required from an AFIP office to purchase property if you don't have a DNI

When we purchased our apartment almost 3 years ago, you did not need a DNI to purchase an apartment. A CDI (Clave de Identification) is required if you don't have a DNI and it's very quick and easy to get and it's almost free, 10 pesos or something. A CDI is just another way for the government to track you in order to pay your home owners yearly taxes (the taxes are cheap by USA home taxes standards as a percentage of the home value). 
 
You get a CDI from the AFIP Administracion Federal de Ingresos Publicos office. You have to go to the AFIP branch based on where the property you are buying is located, just walk into any AFIP office (check the telephone book for your closest office) and they will tell you which AFIP branch you need to go to. You supply the AFIP with a copy of your current rental contract, then you come back in 2 hours (go have lunch) and it's ready.
 
I have heard that there are some new requirements to show where you got the money from to purchase an apartment. I guess this is for international money laundering laws, but this wasn't the case when we purchased. I also heard that there is a new law where you have to have a "guarantor" or someone who will vouch for you to be sure the home yearly taxes are paid. Please let the list know if these "rumors" are true as you go through the process.

    From BANewComers: Sean August 15, 2005

Hi Dan, you can use a CDI number to buy property - you can get this CDI number on the spot, for free, at any local AFIP office that corresponds for your address:

http://www.afip.gov.ar/

Take your passport and they will want to know what you current address is. A CDI number is a Tax Identification Number.

    From: Sean, April 7, 2006

Anybody care to comment on this? I wonder if the boys and girs at the Herald have got this wrong

BA HERALD – april 6

Foreigners will need local rep to buy real estate

Foreigners will have to appoint an Argentine representative in order to purchase property in the country, according to real estate sources. Following the devaluation of the peso, the depreciation of real estate in dollar terms favoured the purchase of property by foreigners. In order to carry out the purchase, foreigners must now have their passport in order and will also need to obtain an indentification code (CDI) from the Federal Tax Revenue Agency (AFIP), according to a sector report. As part of the CDI application process, foreigners will have to name an Argentine resident as representative for tax purposes.

    From: Laura Zurro, April 12, 2006

well it seems that indeed you do need to have a "representative" here before you can get your cdi. It has to be notarized and then you need to take the official notarized power of attorney paper to the AFIP office along with the domicilio certification and from the local commissaria and passport. Just so much fun waiting around there a second time :-(

    From: Sean, April 12, 2006

Well AFIP offices are not being consistent (surprise) about this issue. In fact other feedback I have recived on this topic suggests that this is a pending rule but not formalized yet.. http://www.afip.gov.ar/

I know a ton of people who have gotten CDI’s with out a local sucker to take the heat when AFIP starts breathing down necks

    From: Belliappa Pattada, April 12, 2006

Re: "Foreigners will need local rep to buy real estate"

in mid-december, i got my CDI in 24 Hrs without any requirements like a local or escribano to represent me!!!.. i just went to the local police station and asked em for the certificado domicilio, the next morning they came by to my hotel and gave it to me and by evening i had my CDI from the AFIP office for my area.

i guess they changed the rules after that, or maybe it was ur bad luck that the AFIP employee decided to ask for it.

    From: Concepción Domínguez April 15, 2006

I am living in Congreso neighbourhood since 1971. I moved to my own apartment twice, I also looked for apartments for my parents and lately I bought another one-bedroom apartment. All the times I did it for myself so I know pretty well how to look for an apartment that fit what I need. So I think I can do a good job for you.

My phone is 4954-3454 and my mobil is 15-6186-7131.

Kind regards / Concepción Domínguez / conceds@yahoo.com

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